, and governor romney saying that president obama, you are putting money from medicare, the president saying, no, i am saving money for medicare. which is it? guest: it is of both, and that is what is tricky about the debates right now. both governor romney and president obama are saying "i am going to save the medicare and the other guy is going to end id." romney says he will do it through cuts, and obama says that he adopt the premium support plan, that will bring about the end of medicare. host: what is at present, doing about medicare? -- what is president obama doing about medicare? guest: a lot of it is included in the health care plans, and the reduced payments to providers and medicare plan s that president obama used to bring the rates down, and he does a lot of other things to change the program. he starts a new demonstration programs to change payment systems, trying to change the system from within. host: what is governor romney proposing? guest: governor romney and especially his vice presidential pick, paul ryan, a talking about the premium support plan. at some point in the futur